There was a dude being so it was bouncing off the walls. Film guys helping each other? Yeah, and, and that's what makes your story such a an amazing, kind of, you know, mythical stories because you dude, you flew to the top like you had a zoom, Troy Duffy 8:59 But we really liked each other and I should have learned more from him. Troy Duffy 45:04 Yeah, so good. There's been a lot of, you know, things happening. He shot whatever and it was like this weird. had this idea about, you know, a sort of historical fantasy story about Christ's All Stars going out into the world after he was gone. Right? It's a series of compromises when you start to say make a film. Troy Duffy 59:21 One other thought is that you should try and reach out to Troy direct. It was the best, the best. And people were like, their minds just frickin explode with that. Batman, right? You know that you're you're getting there, you know. But right now I mean I don't know any projects that these guys are on solid ground I got called Rocco called me up the other day and said one of them had just kind of totally left the business and retired from it years ago to so they didn't really get the made out with money but I know that it didn't make much money, Alex Ferrari 40:35 I want to say about one thing first, okay. Podcast: The Filmtrepreneur® Podcast Alex Ferrari 1:01:51 Yeah, yeah. But the big difference was you had a gangster who actually can get things done on your corner. yeah, it was like, it was like at the height of. And I was just super like, you know what, what. Troy Duffy 1:24:44 And I realize the bigger they are, the egos seem to be more controlled more, they're more comfortable in their own skin. Troy Duffy 10:11 This is when Jim was in the process of doing The Truman Show his first dramatic picture. Joey. Ferrari Ladies and gentlemen, you lucked out with your last name for what? But my my guy, Scott Clayton helped finance that and he's out to Australia. And they were actually hurt that he was fake dying on screen. Secondly, firstly, editing, editing can be a bitch. I think they took 11 Oscars, so it was a lot and all that. And the other the other the other one I find jarring is that people kind of there's there's there's two there's two things about it like what you just said was kind of prophetic when you're young and in film school and you watch it you're just like tale of tragedy. I'm keeping them informed, but I didn't really, you know, know myself, it was such a whirlwind. They're doing these crazy things with pods, where whole all your say your wardrobe people will actually never be in a room with your grips and electric people who will never have any physical contact with the top level producers and director of video village over here. And it was these all these kind of crazy stories were coming up. Like, did you longhand it and then transfer it? And we all sit around having beers and he was just like, Hey, what are you gonna do with the money because he knew that I hadn't had any real money in my life. What is it? here to have some fun. Posts Tagged ‘Overnight Documentary’ Troy Duffy: A Cautionary Hollywood Tale – Boondock Saints Like he. These are the things to me that make wise and good filmmakers. And I'm like, Whoa, that is not my doc. Well, you don't do that you don't do it may have been funny. And then this all came up in the middle of it because what happened was I I got so sick of saying shitty movies that I said, I'm going to write one of these and I you know, I've had a bit of a history with writing. And it is the mistakes is the times you get kicked in the nuts if you're paying attention. Especially to independent films that ends us right there for now. And I'm going to fight and I'm going to keep going I'm going to get Boondocks done. and copy it. This documentary follows the unknown Troy Duffy as he rockets to stardom when his script for “Boondock Saints” is picked up by Hollywood Heavyweights. because he's got nothing else better to do with his life. So it's good to kind of get it out there and I'm gonna be going on my own stuff and not right now. you mean as a as a part as part of the deal and it's like it was a it was a. This is an indie that i i always champion and it doesn't get talked about a lot. So it makes it makes screenwriters hate you even that much more. It's a story you couldn't make up 25 year old Troy Duffy had wrote a film script on a cheap computer in the back of a bar and somehow managed to pitch it to Harvey Weinstein the head of Miramax. And it's just like, go ahead. And I remember walking through the local my local blockbusters talking to just seeing shelves and shelves of boondock Saints you know at that time videotapes it was VHS at first and this was right during the crossover a DVD was beginning so I was like alright, makes it suitable they made the deal right. What is the biggest lesson you learn man in this entire boondock? How it happened, all that kind of stuff. I'll shut you know tell them you've given us a gift. find the mat anymore. the bartender who wrote and eventually directed the BOONDOCK SAINTS. Alex Ferrari 30:00 So there's there is a Even though 100% my fault, so never let it happen, right? Because it is an incredibly social business. It goes we're gonna we're gonna release this and make a deal for you to have a big blockbuster exclusive. Exactly, it's exactly what I said. So that that really does plan you know, I another thing that can make you depressed and like the state of my business, this is what I do, man. Yeah i will say five to 15 times that they've done it. And with everything that I do is I warn you that the punches coming because a lot of people are just walking around like, Hey, man, boom, done out, you're and you're gone, they're gone. So you get to William Morris has a script now they're wrapping it out there. Download on iTunes Direct Troy Duffy 19:41 And when I remember being with Rocco, when we we heard he's the one that found the article sent it to me, and he was just laughing his ass off. The Boondock Saints, the schlocky revenge-fueled 1999 action/crime drama, was a film liked by many fans, less so by critics. And it starts showing itself and they realize that they're seeing these very powerful things happening. Troy Duffy 1:56:25 And that's, Troy Duffy 43:11 walked out of my life? you know those you know what? And then just a few years later, Paul and Troy Duffy was just going down in flames. Those types of things I wish I would have known. $5 million to make my film. And now we're trying again during COVID because there's a potential opportunity in Australia. We see again called classics. It is financially debilitating. Like I can't even I can't even think about handshakes. If you get to direct a film I've been able to direct to I'm very blessed. Troy Duffy, man, how are you doing brother? When you look at his IMDB profile you’ll see that he has only made 2 movies, The Boondock Saints and The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day. You know, I'm not reacting the way I normally would. Okay, you'd have to go with Apocalypse Now for sure. Not only is it bad form, but I mean, at least I would if you're going to and I don't even hold with a man I'm carrying me they were kids to. It's something that people are tangible that we'll have, you know, that if we move out into the world with Christ, all stars, and they've got the Holy Grail. Fans just loved it. With my little film gone. Joe Carnahan, just over a year, a year and a half ago turned out we were like secret fans of each other. And I think that was that one little adjustment that we hadn't seen before that really got into people because if you think about it, you know, if you and your friend or you and your brother we're going to do a similar thing you would do exactly what if you know what we're going to kill the bad people the true threats to our community, we're going to kill them what you would do is you go get guns trying to shoot him in the head and get away with it not get caught. Artists should not be left alone to their own devices. You earn your money, you know, right, right. So I got this momentary glimpse into what other writers thought, and they just tore it apart, thought it was shit. What know when you know, another another one would be know when to fight for something. And we say budget, you're talking in the five to 10 million. I was friends at the time mall with a guy named Mario Rifkin, who was the president of William Morris and a friend. But it's I mean, you're talking about a sequel to two very successful, almost legendary films. I know. So learning from your mistakes, and keeping that black book going, would be the two essential pieces of advice. Troy Duffy 1:05:26 Jesus Christ, man. I've had human interaction and I'm home with my family and stuff. But I went to the local Starbucks. Do You Want to Download the Indie Film Sound FX Library? Alex Ferrari 1:39:45 And the By the way, by that time the numbers were in. let's just shoot it. The megalomaniacal rise and fall of filmmaker Troy Duffy is chronicled by one-time friends and colleagues in director Mark Smith's documentary. So you're so you go through this process, the movie gets out. Enter your name and email address below and I'll send you periodic updates about the podcast. When I had that one right in front of me. And I'm his brother, Bob. And tell it as truthfully as I could. But those punches will always keep people coming. I'm gonna get back to being an officer. Troy Duffy 1:35:44 Alex Ferrari 57:04 You don't go with Miramax with Boondock out you don't get Boondock Saints to Miramax make a deal with me. That's what he shot. But if you're like the Kubrick of indie, of indie films, like he does one movie every 10 years. Troy Duffy 1:59:26 And come to find out later on that it was blockbusters highest grossing straight to video hit in their history now something I always kidded Dean about was he had the blockbuster had the he had the opportunity to buy the home video rights for 150 grand slightly after he saw how well it was doing and made some ridiculous amount in six months like like a million bucks, Alex Ferrari 55:57 Then Then you go, you go to the other side, we're back to editing. Never gonna fucking believe that. Yeah. There's something very visceral in the reaction that people have to that film. Like who the hell would do that to themselves? So you're, you're you've got to deal with, you go with Harvey. brotherhood, people love movies about brothers and people have brothers and sisters blood. When I met Mark Wahlberg it was it was really funny because he had an entourage too, you know in our entourage like mirror images of each other is like the two Western guys coming across. Put it in. You know, which is not exactly I got a kick out of Harvey back in those days. He came down to the bar a couple days later, his big limo pulls up Harvey and his whole entourage come out. I am going to start getting into social media and. Then you'd have like a death threat before. You know, you know the glory days when they first yelled action. So you know, you watch you watch that. Troy Duffy 1:59:20 Well, I mean, similar as Rocky Horror to man bites dog. They didn't know who he was. He revealed things he never had before. And you just go and boom, you get something that you never thought possible because that person explodes in front of you. Born on June 8, 1971 in Hartford, Connecticut, Duffy provides directed two movies, which will be the Boondock Saints and The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Time. Like handshakes. And and I've been a huge fan of yours, man. Troy Duffy 7:43 Troy Duffy 1:45:26 Alex Ferrari 1:50:42 leave a comment » Overnight offers a unique perspective into the life of Troy Duffy. Alex Ferrari 59:17 Alex Ferrari 7:39 Because of all that, Alex Ferrari 37:53 Duffy's Not bad. We're gonna staples. And I'm going through all of this process. Yeah. Troy Duffy 46:32 And then. And when you walk around here, and there's just nobody it's a ghost town. I'll tell you a fun little secret. It's again, it's like this thing that happens quiet. But I just wanted to just I had because my fans with my audience, we just go he didn't ask them the question. We take him down to photochem and arrange a screening for him to see the film. Troy and I dive into the deep end of the pool in this conversation. But I hadn't met Joe yet. All right. It was wonderful producing experience for me. Troy Duffy 7:00 Who woulda known he could make a good film. I by that point, I had grown up with a sort of East Coast mentality in terms of you can go out there you put in your day's work hard. They're gigantic warehouse. It was a short film. Alex Ferrari 11:03 Man bites dog. And I know we can. all the time. or well, exactly. Oh, I've got a couple. The screenplay featured two brothers in Boston dedicated to killing Mafia thugs. I hear it all loud, I need to hear that read out loud. The thing that really screwed us at the time was a whole nother deal. I'm filming horror film. Unknown Speaker 17:51 What happened to Kevin Spacey being exposed in. Like I can't just watch the days of me sitting down and watching 10 hours of movies. Alex Ferrari 1:19:02 And it's the first time Rifkin said you know I'm all my years in this business. No, you have to hire somebody. And all the way from an actor to wardrobe people to hair people to food people. To get his perspective would be an awesome way to further develop this piece! And that was just like don't do it. What's the name of it hit? We'll split it 50 50 I said deal. And I'm so I'm so glad that there are these fans of people that have gone through the system and grew up with you. What they were doing was taking smaller films that they felt should have been theatrical released or that they saw some thought would really touch their their Republic and release them in blockbuster stores like they were big films. Yes. not. Troy Duffy 1:56:41 He successfully got the script into the hands of Harvey Weinstein of Miramax Films, who bought the screenplay for $300,000 intending to film the movie on a $15,000,000 budget. I was almost like really, really? It also it's just like it the hustle the hustle. They read something that instantly had an effect on every reader and so began this, you know, court ship by all the agencies trying to get me you know, all the CIA's and William Morris is the one with William Morris. And we started getting concerned in that way. Amen. And it's like this whole weird like, it's basically if Scorsese made a quarantine film on his iPhone, whatever is in your head. I'm like, Oh, I bought that movie. Troy Duffy 1:23:26 Because really, the story is a cat and mouse game between the mind profiler for the council. I was I was probably I was probably a dick. We're like him on the sand. People watching the news sometimes get so disgusted by what they see. the people in it, you know, we have taken a lot of punches and a lot of different ways Yemen, and then rolled through it and came out the other side smart, and that we have to have faith in that. Troy Duffy 1:53:00 Alex Ferrari 1:54:57 That's it's like George says, The money's in the lunchboxes, idiots. I'd be like, Alex, you gotta fucking do this for me. IMDb, the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. I'm a little like, how do you talk for an hour with like, I like. bleep. Everybody sees it. And so I I needed to get a solid foundation on that script, I needed to have it feel more towards a sort of deeper, darker boondock. I was scrolling things in notebooks while I was on the door at sloans. That's what we do. One they call a one percenter profiler that goes out into the world identifies snatches, execute serial killers and delivers them to the doorstep of the FBI. As felt like, you know, I've always been shooting something I've always been doing something and then this, Alex Ferrari 1:42:42 So and when I got in there, I realized that he told you the they give you these stories. You know, the hard cores and it's always Boondock, Man bites dog. Troy Duffy 2:44 Everybody wanted this film to continually shoot. It's fresh baby. Who's this guy? Rock on! They're killing you. Unless the movie makes so much money I everybody's happy. But I loved him. and then and then you told me story. So yeah, and then it just took off from there. They even started with video games, and I was right there. He's Wow, he's an adjective. All the apostles, but of course, Joseph farmer Thea has, has an uncle, Mary Magdalene, everybody was still there. You got producers over here, y'all and you're here about the money. Duffy was the subject of the 2003 documentary film Overnight. It doesn't pay it doesn't paint the best picture. He read the thing said, Would you mind if I handle this? No, no, I'm still paying myself. And you have screenings for all them and their buyers and all buyers from all over the place. I get a bottle of champagne note from Harvey on the first day of principle, which I completely mistake as genuine. Alex Ferrari 1:20:44 But they're doing it in this way where there's belief and faith wrapped into it. They can be all over the place. was to screw you up to screw you up on your day one. Troy Duffy 1:26:00 You've got to go into the dark phase. They'll say like a movie. You can't get a movie made. And I was in the darkest depression ever because I'm like, it doesn't matter. It's March 12 2022. And I don't know if you remember right. And it's about getting hit as like rocky says is about getting hit and keep moving forward. Troy Duffy 3:22 These days, probably not. Do we have like an assassination squad? So, critics who would you know, do I even think I saw Kurt Loder say something about this on an MTV, Alex Ferrari 1:10:17 Sam was a great director. It gave false impressions here and there. But he's a deep, deep artist. right. Hondo's Stance on Film. You think — for maybe just a minute — that whoever did that should die, without any fuckin’ jury. Oh my god. Because you're a bad person. And they were bros, you know, so we had when I would come out of the wherever I was, and Mark would come out of the bushes literally with the camera. You have to know what great writing it you're What have you just read something, Troy Duffy 1:48:10 He was Australian. Troy Duffy 35:13 A new a new company, new guy. I can't I can't do that anymore. And that's and that's, like, artistic move up period in history and human history. And I'm extremely grateful to all those long suffering fans, because I mean, if you think about it, they're going to be waiting 10 years between one and two and another 10 between two and three. What what's happening now is that the one of the reason is very few things, even big budget are being shot and done, that the production has virtually stopped. You know, and we just got screwed. I mean, you probably were like, Hey, this is how to do it, guys. Alex Ferrari 1:25:03 I can't once upon a time I came to Hollywood was a dream. You know how it is in the business? You don't get it back at all in any way. Alex Ferrari 1:41:41 Depression is probably the big culprit here. There was one point at which I found this new young actor who loved this script and camped out on my doorstep, Heath Ledger, and he, Unknown Speaker 18:21 what? And this the whole thing is kind of that social media thing has kind of happened and I've been checked out on it, so I'm gonna start doing that. It also gained particular notoriety for the excellent documentary Overnight, which is well, well worth seeking out. So I got to ask you though, man, I think you kind of touched upon this earlier man that you know, you obviously are an accomplished filmmaker. We're having screenings that are off the charts, and people are loving it. And it was exactly what they were stopping production on and pulling out of theaters right there at Clinton landed here and had a whole talk with the industry. And I know what good moviemaking is. And believe me, they're long suffering because I'm not so good at the social media thing. And he's like, I'll buy it with you. Chris Lambert Highlander. He was like, you know, don't watch it.
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